Episode 35

"Force Free" Pet Training and Parenting - with Nicole Soule

Naomi chats with Nicole Soule of How to Train a Dream Dog about the similarities between being parents of young children and animal trainers, raising children alongside pets and her own adventures of moving her own multi-species household in with her fiancé and his dog - all while being pregnant with their first child!

Key Moments

[00:34] Guest introduction

[01:19] Icebreaker: Two truths and a lie about Nicole

[04:22] Training Service Dogs

[05:29] Cast of characters: Charlie the human, Voo the cat, and Copper and Olive the dogs

[07:30] Voo’s resistance to change/problems with UTIs through stress

[08:34] Changes for Voo: A new man-human, a new doggy roommate, and a new baby on the way

[10:11] Voo: a resource guarding cat

[10:40] Voo vs. Charlie - the incident

[12:06] Challenges surrounding Charlie’s different background in handling animal behavior

[12:37] Voo's extreme behavior around food

[14:48] Management to prevent conflict around food

[17:01] Being proactive not reactive

[18:31] The iceberg model of behavior

[20:44] Current state of affairs between Charlie and Voo

[22:11] Olive passing away and the effects on Voo and Copper

[22:57] Getting Voo and Copper ready for the new baby

[25:04] Preparing for changes in behavior when the baby started walking/moving about on her own

[28:07] "Inviter not invader": teaching baby to respect the pet’s space

[30:39] The similarities between managing dog/cat interactions and pet/baby interactions

[31:14] When to start teaching children how to interact with pets

[32:12] Researching and preparing ahead for children's interactions with pets (at different stages of their development)

[34:33] Can you be a force-free animal trainer while being a with less-than-force-free parent?

[39:08] Self-reflection/self-criticism as parents and as animal trainers

[40:39] How a background in animal training has helped in parenting

[43:18] The importance of “apologizing” to your pets and kids

[43:57] Understanding the need for positive interaction after conflict to reset the relationship

[44:28] Working through choices and no-choice situations with kids and pets

Resources Discussed:

Big Little Feelings Instagram

Taking Cara Babies

The No-Cry Sleep Solution

How to Train a Dream Dog

DM Naomi to suggest other trainers to interview!

About the Podcast

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It's Training Cats and Dogs!
The podcast for cat-AND-dog people.

About your host

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Naomi Rotenberg

MA, KPA-CTP
specializing in cat and dog integration

Hi! I'm Naomi, and I'm a "cat-and-dog person" 👋 My goal with this podcast is to speak to people with multi-species households who currently feel alone. There are lots of highs and lows when trying to manage the relationships between your animals. This podcast will give you clear, actionable information and guidance about the unique issues that come up between cats and dogs. And the monthly interviews with my fellow trainers who have cats and dogs will definitely help you realize that you aren't alone!

A bit about me: I'm a certified professional dog trainer (KPA-CTP) and have my MA in Animal Behavior and Conservation. I live in my own multi-species household in Philadelphia, PA with my husband, two human kids, Uri (a mini American Eskimo Dog), and Rio (a domestic shorthair cat). I also LOVE Twizzlers (the original kind, NOT pull-and-peel).

I look forward to getting to know you and your pets on your journey towards a more peaceful and safe coexistence!