Episode 5

How to Train Your Cat with Linlin Cao

Naomi chats with Linlin Cao about how training her two cats helped with the integration of two dogs into their household.

In this episode we discuss:

Our cast of characters

Simon: 7-year-old cat

Tiffany: 6-year-old cat

Niko the dog

Sunny the dog     

  • Simon was their first pet – adopted just after graduate school, thinking a cat would be an easier pet to adopt first.
  • Tiffany was a little stray kitten found in Chinatown, Houston. Was going to be taken to the shelter before Lin Lin’s husband fell in love with her.
  • Niko was supposed to only be a foster pup but ended up a permanent member of the family
  • Sunny, a lovable retriever is the baby of the family

Introducing Tiffany the Kitten to Simon the Cat

  • Took Simon a long while to get used to Tiffany. He was scared of her.
  • Back then, Lin Lin didn’t know much about animal behavior but had read that sometimes older cats can be scared of kittens.
  • Simon had never really interacted with other cats before
  • Kept them separated for about a month
  • Used a baby gate
  • Always interaction with supervision

Bringing Niko the dog into the family

  • Niko was a shelter dog.
  • Had been fostered but had very bad kennel cough so it stressed him out
  • Was not planned to go home with Lin Lin but one thing lead to another and he was in the car ready to go to his foster home to recover from his kennel cough
  • But he never left!
  • The introduction to the cats went very poorly
  • Was only 6 months old and starting to be very hyperactive
  • Very reactive to the cats
  • Digging at the door to get to the cats if they were locked away

Finding solutions to the interactions between Niko and the cats

  • Niko was already crate trained
  • Installed a baby gate for double protection
  • Focused on management
  • Niko could go about his business despite knowing the cats are in the house instead of trying to get at them

Baby gates/Locking in rooms – steps to cat-dog introduction

  • Many steps before dogs and cats can interact if there are initial issues
  • Even a baby gate can be too fast, too soon
  • Need to teach Niko to settle on his own before introducing the cats further

Using the right kind of training

  • Started off with reactive training which produced a negative result
  • Increased levels of stress
  • Had to keep increasing the correction – obviously not working
  • Switched to positive reinforcement training
  • Things got better with the cats
  • Lin Lin read up on body language and learned to understand his behavior much more

Behavior focus

  • Focus on behavior helped minimize blowups
  • Subtleties of body language helped signpost behavior before it escalated
  • Body language that doesn’t look problematic can be early indicator of behavior that will cause problems
  • Allowing both animals to feel safe to do normal things before introducing them
  • Otherwise very synthetic, one-side interaction
  • Different animals like different things
  • Simon likes to be chased by the dogs. Tiffany doesn’t.
  • Tiffany needs high places to feel safe when the dogs are in the room

Gradual introduction between Niko and the cats

  • Controlled the interaction distance
  • Baby gates
  • Holding the cats
  • Keeping the space regulated but decreasing the distance gradually
  • Sit in place and callback training for Niko

Allowing natural behavior

  • Niko has prey drive
  • Likes the chase but not so much the catch
  • Training that allows him to chase in a safe way

Introducing Sunny into the household

  • Introduced during a time when Niko wasn’t doing well in his sports and Lin Lin was looking for a dog to do sports with
  • Sunny tried to play Simon who wasn’t scared of him
  • Sunny has displeasure in his elbow and needed surgery – recovery didn’t go as well as hoped
  • Had a limp and needed more surgery
  • Was crate-rested until two years old
  • Once Sunny was able to be released, he was suddenly a lot bigger than the others were used to
  • Introductions need to start over
  • Did a lot of focused training with him
  • Whiplash turn
  • Sit on mat

Training with Simon

  • Clicker training from the start
  • Shake hands, high five – simple tricks
  • Always likes to hang out in the training area
  • Good with nose work

Using treats

  • Not all cats will eat from hand – Simon had no problems
  • Uses his eyes more to chase the treats when thrown

Management after fully introduced

  • Crated or not crated
  • Niko since about 1 years old has been fine to just stay with the cats during the day
  • Is crate trained so is sleeping in crate at night
  • Learn to trust dog and cats when not home – if Niko is fine when they are home, starting in small periods to trust he’ll be fine when they are not
  • Behaviors become habit so animals can self-regulate when presented with trigger
  • At the beginning, Sunny could not be in the same room as Simon and still focus but now they can

Cat Enrichment

  • Tiffany is not really interested in much to get her treats. Just comes and asks.
  • Simon loves to train and asks for it all the time
  • Does 15 tricks

Low points in the integration

  • Niko was very highly strung
  • Didn’t know if it was going to work out but didn’t want to think that it wouldn’t
  • Didn’t want to put anyone in danger

Introducing animals to baby humans

  • Skills are transferable
  • Management
  • Baby gates
  • Sat on mat
  • Don’t wait until you see the problem
  • Prepare animals for the changes beforehand

Separation

  • Cats could be separated into a room, especially if they were together
  • Did a lot of training which kept them separate
  • Crate training so they would be okay being left alone when people are home as well as out
  • When puppies are tired, put them in the crate to let them nap easily

Tips for adding another species to the household

  • Can they be crated or separated without stress?
  • Work with professionals
  • There are no deadlines for behavior

Resource Links

Celebrate Your Training Accomplishments With A Trick Cat Title

Clean Run Conference Unleashed 2021

Family Paws Parent Education

Training with Simon

Dog and Cat interaction training

Who’s in this episode?

Naomi Rotenberg

https://www.instagram.com/praiseworthypets

https://www.praiseworthypets.com/                                    


Linlin Cao

https://www.instagram.com/dogtorlinlin


 


 

About the Podcast

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The podcast for cat-AND-dog people.

About your host

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Naomi Rotenberg

MA, KPA-CTP
specializing in cat and dog integration

Hi! I'm Naomi, and I'm a "cat-and-dog person" 👋 My goal with this podcast is to speak to people with multi-species households who currently feel alone. There are lots of highs and lows when trying to manage the relationships between your animals. This podcast will give you clear, actionable information and guidance about the unique issues that come up between cats and dogs. And the monthly interviews with my fellow trainers who have cats and dogs will definitely help you realize that you aren't alone!

A bit about me: I'm a certified professional dog trainer (KPA-CTP) and have my MA in Animal Behavior and Conservation. I live in my own multi-species household in Philadelphia, PA with my husband, two human kids, Uri (a mini American Eskimo Dog), and Rio (a domestic shorthair cat). I also LOVE Twizzlers (the original kind, NOT pull-and-peel).

I look forward to getting to know you and your pets on your journey towards a more peaceful and safe coexistence!